Le Pen versus Joan of Arc
bkmarcus
A few years ago I accompanied my wife to a conference where she was giving a paper. I attended a panel on Joan of Arc. I thought the panelist who talked about historical cross-dressing was interesting, but far more interesting was the panelist whose thesis was that Joan had invented the concept of nationality.
Mises writes:
The concepts nation and nationality are relatively new in the sense in which we understand them. Of course, the word nation is very old; it derives from Latin and spread early into all modern languages. But another meaning was associated with it. Only since the second half of the eighteenth century did it gradually take on the significance that it has for us today, and not until the nineteenth century did this usage of the word become general.
But if this panelist's thesis is correct, the modern notion of nationality started in 15th-century France. The claim is that, prior to Joan, the people did not think of themselves as French, but as Norman or Alsatian or Burgundian. There was no "France" per se, but simply this or that kingdom. People were loyal to their region and church, not to a king, and certainly not to a "nation" filled with people who didn't look like them, didn't sound like them, didn't eat the same food or sing the same songs. If the local lord spoke an unrecognizable English instead of a barely recognizable "French" so what? At least they were being ruled by Catholics and not heathen warlords.
Joan changed the boundaries of us and them. They were in our land. We had to expel them.
I don't know if the thesis is correct, but I found it to be a very interesting claim.
One problem I had with the panel was the overt sense of reverence for Saint Joan. When someone in the audience mentioned that French "far-right" politician Jean-Marie Le Pen invokes Joan for his anti-immigration policies specifically and for his National Front party in general, everyone seemed to share not just a moment of revulsion, but a sense that such claims were absurd. She was a saint and he a monster.
I made my usual mistake of ignoring connotation and general sentiment, and raised my hand to suggest that the comparison wasn't ridiculous. If Joan of Arc is supposed to have invented nationality, why can't we hold her responsible for nationalism? There are significant differences between armed invasion and unarmed immigration, but to me, the us-and-them of it sounded similar. We are French. They are not. Let us remove them from our national territory.
I wasn't trying to suggest that Joan was a fascist or Le Pen a saint. I just thought that the nation-concept we were discussing was a double-edged sword, and should be acknowledged as such.
Apparently, I was alone in this perspective.
Maybe a year later, someone at the office announced loudly that she was opposed to nationalism. I asked her what she thought of Mahatma Ghandi. She loved him, of course. I asked her if she realized he was a nationalist. "Oh, I think of nationalism as guns and flags and xenophobia," she said.
I've decided to keep a dictionary on my website -- like the BlackCrayon dictionary, but more eclectic. Today I added the terms nation and nationalism:
NATIONALISM
Nationalism is advocacy for the nation-state: the position that the nation and the state should be coextensive.
In the context of an empire, nationalism is a decentralist and pro-liberty philosophy. (Think of Indians under British rule.)
In the context of a federation, nationalism is centralizing and illiberal. (Think of American so-called Federalists -- i.e., nationalists -- in the late 18th century, or German nationalists in the 19th.)
Ghandi was a nationalist. So was Hitler. Joan of Arc and Alexander Hamilton were both nationalists. Their contexts give the term very different meanings.
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January 10th, 2007 at 10:39 pm
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January 16th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
How and why people identify with collectives has always puzzled me. The collective can be a professional sports team, a race, a language group or a nation. This identification is so strong that people’s feelings of happiness and self-worth are linked to the perceived successes or failures of their collective.
Some Myers-Briggs personality types appear more likely to identify with collectives (NF types), and other types (NT) are more likely to be rational individualists. I have also concluded that political leanings and the ability to accept certain economic truths are also dependent on personality type. Brian Caplan, “Stigler-Becker versus Myers-Briggs: Why Preference-Based Explanations Are Scientifically Meaningful and Empirically Important” is the only economist that I am aware of that is examining the question of how personality interacts with economics.
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/bsmb2.doc
If you want to look more deeply into Nationalism I would recommend Banal Nationalism by Michael Billig. I have only read the book segment available through Google Scholar but his analysis is thought provoking.
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=CPgPd5e6_hsC&oi=fnd&pg=PA1&sig=UaMdkdkHQNzzNYH79Zthtqo_670&dq=Banal+Nationalism
I would also recommend Notes on Nationalism by George Orwell.
http://www.george-orwell.org/Notes_on_Nationalism/0.html
Finally Butler Shaffer a columnist at the Lew Rockwell site has a lot of essays that include observations concerning people identifying with collectives.
I wonder if collectivist tendencies are learned or innate. If learned, the answer is education reform. If innate, then mankind is doomed to perpetual ideological conflict.
September 29th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
Instead of looking at conflict as being between nations look at it in terms of conflict between rulers and the people they want to enslave. This is closer to what motivated Saint Joan of Arc. Please vist MaidofHeaven.com and read through the comprehensive histories there to better understand her.
http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_long_biography_history.asp
June 26th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
I suppose that that someone at the office should have been taught the older meaning of the word "chauvinism" so she could use it rather than nationalism.
Also in the context of an empire a nationalist of the ruled people can have a philosophy that is pro-liberty and decentralist, but a nationalist of the ruling people will be entirely the opposite. To the latter the nation that they extoll simply is the empire ("The sun never sets on the British empire."), and absent the empire the nationalist's nation has lost its identity.
June 26th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Why did posts from early 2007 suddenly come up on my RSS Reader?