singular possessive (my King Charles's head)
bkmarcus
In a footnote to his recent review of Human Smoke, David Gordon used the expression "King Charles's Head." I had no idea what that meant, so I looked it up. Once I knew its definition, I wanted a way to communicate it to any other readers of the Mises Review who shared my ignorance. The problem is that most free dictionaries online are ugly and full of ads. So I decided to create an entry at Wiktionary.org. I created the entry as "King Charles's Head," exactly as Gordon used it. One of the Wiktionary regulars corrected and expanded my entry. Here's the note he left me:
Sorry, I made a mess of King Charles' head. Please feel free to improve that entry. King Charles's head should be marked as an {{alternative spelling of}} or {{misspelling of}}. But King Charles' Head with a capital on Head is incorrect. Yours Conrad.Irwin 20:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I changed "Head" to "head" in the review, but as I wrote the wiktionarian (perhaps in the wrong place?), I don't understand his stripping away the 's from King Charles's name:
Conrad.Irwin, thanks for catching the spurious capital and thanks for expanding the entry. Thanks also for teaching me some wiki syntax; I'm new here, as the rest of this message will no doubt reinforce.
I'm confused about your change in the spelling of the singular possessive, from Charles's to Charles'.
I see 3 arguments for the former:
- The reference is originally to Charles Dickens's David Copperfield, where it is spelled "King Charles's head."
- The Chicago Manual of Style says, "The possessive of a title or name is formed by adding ’s {Lloyd’s of London’s records} {National Geographic Society’s headquarters} {Dun & Bradstreet’s rating}. This is so even when the word ends in a sibilant {Dickens’s novels}..."
- The much more accessible Elements of Style says the same in its very first rule:
- Form the possessive singular of nouns with 's.
- Follow this rule whatever the final consonant. Thus write,
- Charles's friend
- Burns's poems
- the witch's malice
- This is the usage of the United States Government Printing Office and of the Oxford University Press.
Is there a Wiktionary style guide I should be referring to instead?
Thanks again.





May 12th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
B.K.,
I remember learning in elementary school that Charles counts as one syllable, so its possessive has to be Charles's, not Charles'. I've never heard anyone claim that Charles' was correct.
They also taught us that if a proper noun ended in S and was more than one syllable, such as Dickens, the possessive would be written and pronounced Dickens' and not Dickens's. I honestly like the Chicago and Elements of Style rule better, though. And, for all I know, they're teaching the latter in most schools now.
I don't remember if this also applied to names ending in a hard-S, like Marcus, but in the case of soft-S vs. hard-S, I've always just written and pronounced it the way that sounded better. So, I might write and say Dickens's (three syllables) but write and say Aristophanes' (five syllables). I guess I'm glad you cited those two rules telling me to always add 's to proper nouns.
Oh, and shame on you for improper use of it's.
May 12th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
John Petrie wrote, "shame on you for improper use of it's."
John, only those who read blog comments will ever know my shame.
May 12th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
There are more of us than you might think!
May 13th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Indeed. :-)
May 13th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Does this apply to 'Davy Jones' locker' too?